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Steven Crowder vs. Ethan Klein: Proof That Leftist Cowardice Makes Honest Debate Impossible

June 24, 2021 24 Comments

By Brandon Smith

I can’t think of a situation that more expertly illustrates the complete disconnect between conservative logic and sense of principle vs. leftist duplicity and intellectual arson than the recently scheduled “debate” between Steven Crowder and Ethan Klein. In fact, I found it so compelling as a litmus test for where we are at in our political climate that I think it needs to be examined further.

For those that are not aware, Steven Crowder, a popular comedian and conservative on YouTube was engaged in a digital tit-for-tat with Ethan Klein, a YouTube meme-chaser that recently devolved into a full bore social justice statist. Klein has a big following among the tween-to-twenty crowd on YouTube, built up over the years through his earlier and more inane content. It’s hard to say what his original audience thinks of his new SJW mask, but his political observations are…well…let’s just say he’s got a mind like a rubber bear trap.

This is why his sudden invitation to Steven Crowder for a public debate was so surprising. How could he possibly hope to win? In order to win a debate, you must be right, or you must be clever enough to mislead your opponent with spin and get him trapped in the weeds until he gives up. Ethan Klein is neither of these things.

The subject matter was also universally important – The division between leftists and conservatives on the covid shutdowns, mask mandates and experimental vaccines is actually creating a form of political balkanization in the US right now. Conservatives and moderates are leaving blue states by the millions to escape the draconian lockdowns widely cheered by the political left. Many red states are now like free zones, a testament to what America used to be; while blues state citizens are perpetually wondering when they will be allowed to go back to normal, or when the lockdowns will drop on their heads again like a communist hammer and sickle.

The fact that many leftists are so blindly and idiotically accepting of everything government funded scientists claim when it comes to covid is causing rapid division in the nation (beyond the division caused by SJWs in general the past few years). They seem to be completely unphased by the numerous conflicting data points from more independent virologists and medical researchers. They merely dismiss the evidence and facts that disagree with their assumptions, deferring all liberty and all control to a handful of unaccountable bureaucrats.

I mean, really, how many times do we have to catch government medical officials spinning the data to support inaccurate conclusions? How many times do we have to catch them outright lying about the pandemic before leftists start to question what the real agenda is? You can see some of my recent analysis debunking the government narrative on covid as well as the experimental mRNA vaccines HERE.

In this case, though, we have to skip past the subject matter of the debate between Crowder and Klein because the debate never happened. I suggest watching the full event on YouTube (don’t worry, it was short), but I’ll summarize:

Ethan Klein pussed out.

But it’s HOW he pussed out that is so indicative of the political left, because he ran from the debate while at the same time claiming “victory”. Crowder has given ample evidence on his side of things to show how the debate was set up, and frankly the outcome was at the same time bizarre and predictable.

Ethan Klein contacts Crowder asking for a debate. Crowder accepts on the condition that it’s one-on-one and there are no tricks. Ethan agrees. The debate is scheduled and the day arrives. Crowder predicts on air that Klein will do anything he can to avoid actual debate, including trying to pull a switch with another debater. Klein appears on air and proceeds to throw out odd off-topic statements, then suddenly disappears from view and is replaced by another leftist YouTuber named Sam Seder, EXACTLY as Crowder predicted. Crowder calls out Ethan Klein for his cowardice and then cuts the stream short, which makes perfect sense given that Klein proved his inability to keep his word.

Sam Seder is essentially a nobody, a flailing Youtuber with a dying channel that desperately chases recognition for the sake of recognition. He does not seem to deeply believe in much of anything other than self promotion. His scam is to goad far larger conservative channels fishing for a reaction. If he gets one, he uses it as a means to claim legitimacy. If he doesn’t get a reaction he instead claims that the person he is goading is a “coward”. It’s a classic application of Alinsky tactics,

Klein and Seder go on after the debate is cut short to proclaim “we got him”, laughing and cheering as if they accomplished something. But what did they actually accomplish besides giving Ethan Klein a way to escape a debate he was clearly afraid of? In this behavior we find the key to understanding the political left…

Here we have two leftist characters, or what I would consider leftist archetypes, that tell us all we need to know about the social justice movement and the state of the left overall. The first one is an intellectual tar pit that likes to attack his opponents but avoids any arena in which they can fight back, the second is a shameless opportunist.

The debate was established on principled grounds, a one-on-one event with some basic rules. But the leftists never have any intention of honoring the agreement. The end game for them is not to prove that they are right in their views, but to sabotage the debate itself and then crow about it to the mindless mob as if the sabotage is itself a “win”.

This is the core of the leftist ideology and I have been saying it for many years now – They are not interesting in being “right”. They are not interested in finding the truth. They are only interested in “winning” at any cost. Even if they lose, they will still claim that they won.

And so the cycle carries on into infinity, or until someone punches the cultists in their collective face and ships them off to an island somewhere in the South Pacific where they can test out their insane socialist theories on each other instead of the rest of us.

If the goal of progressives is to set every honest debate on fire with a Molotov cocktail, the truth be damned, then there can be no reconciliation with conservatives. Without reconciliation there can never be peace. The situation becomes even more explosive when one side is mostly wrong and the other side is mostly right. The only passive option that remains is to ignore each other, and since the leftist drive requires the oppression of those that disagree with them, that only leaves the final option: Violence.

The world is spinning into a vortex of totalitarianism today, and the Crowder vs. Klein YouTube drama might seem like frivolous nonsense to those of us in the liberty movement, but I think it demands our attention because it tells us where the lines are drawn. Is there even any point in debating with the left anymore? I think so, but not for their sake. Rather, the truth calls for defenders and hypocrisy needs to be answered or it will spread like a cancer into lives of innocent bystanders.

Leftists have chosen to worship the power of the lie. They see lies as magical tools to get everything they want, and most of the things they want belong to other people. This is what happens when a political or social movement builds its appeal by placating narcissists; its actions are fueled by bias and its image begins to adopt the basest and most depraved characteristics of its lowest common denominator. They seem to become tyrants, because that is what they are and what they always have been just under the surface.

The common mantra of tyrants is this:

Those that disagree with me are wrong because I will never allow them to prove they are right. Those that defend themselves against my attacks are evil because if they fight back they might harm me. Those that demand the truth do not understand how important my lies are to the stability of the world I have built for them. Why would I engage in battle when I can get others to fight my battles for me? When people are free, it means they are free to criticize or ignore me, so I must take away their freedom, so that they are made to revere me and recognize my importance. Morals are relative and principles are for suckers. The ends justify the means, and the greater good of the greater number is paramount – And as long as I am the one that determines what the definition of the “greater good” is, then I am the one that controls everything else.”

If this doesn’t describe the political left today then I don’t know what does, other than the fact that many leftists are useful idiots for agendas that they clearly don’t understand. They are essentially tyrants that work for other tyrants, just as Ethan Klein defends frauds like Anthony Fauci that lie to the public for the sake of gathering social control.

Are people like Ethan Klein important at all in the grand scheme of things? No, not really. If the debate had actually taken place as agreed and Klein lost (as he knew he would), would it have changed anything? No, probably not. Because leftists do not lose in the sense that they admit they are wrong, nor do they learn new things which change their views for the better. The idea is to simply continue on, unabated, blind deaf and dumb to reality, and through this strategy they think they can one day own the world.

If it was not obvious what we were dealing with before, the Crowder/Klein debate clarifies everything nicely. Leftist ideology is an anathema that cannot coexist with ideals of reason or freedom. One cannot debate with zealots; one can only point out their mania and prepare to fight them for the sake of future generations.



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  • Armed Resistance June 24, 2021 at 8:13 am

    Another great overview Brandon! And while we see this on the macro level, we can even boil it down to the family level. I love my brother-in-law and sister-in-law but they’re so entranced with leftist myopic propaganda that all (albeit limited over holidays or visits) discussion is superficial and sad really. We can’t even have real discussions with family members because they live in a fog of cultish thinking.

  • Black Cat June 24, 2021 at 8:57 am

    “And so the cycle carries on into infinity, or until someone punches the cultists in their collective face and ships them off to an island somewhere in the South Pacific where they can test out their insane socialist theories on each other instead of the rest of us.”

    I always thought this might have to happen, lol. No but seriously!

  • Gauntlet33 June 24, 2021 at 10:41 am

    Hey Brandon, great article. Keep up the writing!
    Also, just wanted to report from CA that after returning from SC, I was relieved to hear that Gov. Newsom had lifted the mask-wearing restrictions on an “honor” system as of June 15th. Thank you Mr. Newsom for letting me breathe again without obstruction, but it has been very pleasant to walk into stores, the courthouse, etc., without having to wear a mask.
    With that said, the leftists here are relentless as many of my coworkers on my floor (who have known for over the past year that I’ve been vehemently against the lockdowns, masks, and vaccines), were constantly asking when I would also take the death shot and why I’m walking around without a mask since I haven’t been vaccinated. Long story short, they turned into yelling matches, full of their lies, and I again walked away from these “debates” (even though they’re attorneys) thinking that you can’t reason with a leftist as they don’t listen (let alone analyze) facts or common sense.

    • Ya'aqov ben Ya'aqov June 24, 2021 at 11:56 am

      Comrade Newsom is facing recall. Got PR damage control to do, don’t ya know!

    • dipdooo June 25, 2021 at 11:38 am

      Here in CA too. I walk into stores without a mask to test the waters, even if the signs say you have to wear them. No push back. I think people are just tired of it, even here in CA.

  • Gauntlet33 June 24, 2021 at 10:51 am

    Also, many of you I’m sure have already seen this where Biden admits that the government is the enemy, and his statements further my argument that there should be NO limits on the weapons that civilians should be permitted to own under the 2nd Amendment:

    • Brandon Smith June 24, 2021 at 11:07 am

      Hilarious. If small arms were not a threat to the globalists then they would not be continuously trying to ban them. Also, I can think of several insurgencies in the past century alone that would beg to differ with Biden’s uneducated opinion.

      • Gauntlet33 June 24, 2021 at 1:21 pm

        Exactly. Also, the AR-15 is their “foot in the door” approach because if they ever get those completely banned, then it makes their argument that much easier to ban ALL guns as the logic would then be, “Well the rifles were deadly, but even MORE deaths are the result of handguns”, then bye bye any gun rights.

  • Hugo June 24, 2021 at 11:19 am

    Off topic here but it appears an infrastructure agreement has been reached….you predicted this all the way back in January. No clue how you did at the time but Biden’s approval has been going down and now he gets his deal. Are they trying to keep democrats in control of the government for 2022 and beyond?

  • Greg B. June 24, 2021 at 8:47 pm

    You know, I’m beginning to think these people have some kind of masochistic fetish for making themselves look like complete fools. Their tendency to double down even when proven wrong can’t just be for ideological reasons. It’s a pleasure out of pain kind of thing, even when it’s self-inflicted.

  • Mike Hawk June 25, 2021 at 2:34 am

    “What a nightmare.”

    Why would Steven cower from a debate with ‘Fight Like Hell’ on his chest.

    Ran like Hell is more like it.

    but I’ll just go shout down my own echoing silo about it to people who agree with me for my own “winning” ego.

    • Brandon Smith June 25, 2021 at 3:54 am

      Wow, you are sensitive already and no one has even responded to you yet. Tell me this because I find the way leftists think to be astonishingly disconnected from reality and I want to see how you respond to some simple questions: Why should Steven Crowder debate with Sam Seder when his disagreement was with Ethan Klein? Furthermore, why didn’t Ethan Klein just stick to the agreement he made with Steven Crowder when HE ASKED Steven Crowder to debate him? Crowder never asked for a debate with Ethan or Sam Seder (who is a known small-time carpetbagger desperate for attention), but agreed to a debate with Ethan as long as there were no tricks. If Ethan Klein and Sam Seder can’t even abide by a basic gentleman’s agreement, then what point is there in debating either of them? Why enter a debate with a couple of degenerates that don’t care about honesty? Their goal was not to argue their position or beliefs, it was to turn the debate itself into a circus and then claim that doing this means they “won”. It’s hilariously pathetic when you think about it.

      • Gauntlet33 June 25, 2021 at 9:38 am

        Hey Brandon, I may be wrong, but although Mike’s post wasn’t very clear, I believe he was actually agreeing with your viewpoints when he said, “Ran like Hell is more like it.”…

        • Brandon Smith June 25, 2021 at 11:17 am

          No, he’s talking about Steven Crowder, who is wearing a “fight like hell” T-shirt in the debate video.

          • Gauntlet33 June 25, 2021 at 5:32 pm

            My bad…I got the two mixed up. Okay, another troll then…typical.

  • Juliann Bradshaw June 25, 2021 at 8:22 am

    Brandon, having been a freedom fighter for over forty years, this is your best piece yet, and everything you write is inspiring and correct. I debated against the Equal Rights Amendment during the two year extension for radification. I lived in Michigan at the time, which housed some of the strongest proponent and opponent voices in the nation. Your description of the left’s tactics are perfectly stated. They use intimidation and humiliation in place of facts. They call you a coward from the closet they are hiding in while they put a parrot in their place at the next big debate. Their success comes from their organizational ability and the growing size of their misguided minion army. Thank you for your willingness to lead out for truth and right.

  • Juliann Bradshaw June 25, 2021 at 8:30 am

    Your “common mantra for tyrants” should be framed and put on t-shirts to support your site. You put it in quotation marks. Whoever wrote it is as brilliant as you are.

    • Brandon Smith June 25, 2021 at 11:19 am

      I wrote it. I just put it in quotations to indicate that it is from the perspective of the tyrant mind.

    • Gauntlet33 June 25, 2021 at 5:34 pm

      Speaking of t-shirts, I liked a post on ZH where a guy said he was thinking of again wearing his “I see stupid people” T-shirt.

  • dipdooo June 25, 2021 at 11:44 am

    @Brandon – Biden’s recent remarks are very troubling. They were random and out of context. There was no reason to talk about the tree of liberty, insurrection, or people trying to overthrow the government. This makes me think they are about to make a move and the mentally unclear Biden spoke “off the reservation”…

    What is your take on his comments?

    • Brandon Smith June 25, 2021 at 12:02 pm

      Next week’s article will probably be on this subject.

  • Dennis June 27, 2021 at 1:21 pm

    The World Lost the Fight Against COVID but Can Win the Fight Against Faucism and China

  • dimenson June 28, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    An old Russian anecdote says: “Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon will simply knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and then strut around like it won!”

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